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Re: Seton Hall

Postby ern1 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:06 am

Ultra efficient 1st half....Complete garbage 2nd half. Sound familiar? Well done coaches.....
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Re: Seton Hall

Postby mredle » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:24 am

Not coaching. I understand people's disappointment. The reality is that we have an inexperienced team that played one of the best, most experienced teams in the country at their place and with 3 minutes to go we were in position to win. Why didn't we? we had come back and were playing with greater toughness but our leaders on the court are still learning what that role is. Our leaders among the players quit being leaders and tried to be heroes. They tried to make plays on their own. They went away from doing the things that make us very good and very dangerous. They quit making plays for one another and trusting one another and tried to put the team on their back. When Delgado went out SH stayed within the framework of what they do as a team. We didn't. It's a good lesson for this team to learn in December because it will make us very good and very dangerous in late February and March.
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Re: Seton Hall

Postby DC_JAY » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:40 am

While I agree the Jays are inexperienced compared to a senior-laden team like SH, this is not an inexperienced Creighton team. All five of our starters have been to an NCAA tournament. We start two seniors. We start a junior who has played almost every game since arriving at Creighton. Sure we've got some freshmen, but they weren't the ones panicking down the stretch.

The Jays don't need experience, they need composure. And while sometimes composure comes with experience, the two don't always go hand in hand.

I will say at least Mac called some timeouts this time to try and stave off the SH comeback.
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Re: Seton Hall

Postby CURx » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:59 am

We are 10 and 3 and from my top row CLINK perspective, I wouldn't say we have any "bad losses." Certainly 3 really really bad "missed wins" were it would have been nice to get 1 or 2 of those, particularly Baylor and SH. With that in mind, we are going to need to win a game or two like this down the road (i.e. beat SH at home and at least split with X) and keep pace with games that we shouldn't lose; the "bad loss or two," if we want to avoid 10/11 seed territory and get into the conversation of 6-8 seed range. Although maybe we need a 10/11 seed play in year to make a run to the Sweet 16.
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Re: Seton Hall

Postby McKinney's Neighbor » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:18 am

We've been outscored by 18+ points in a half 3 times in 13 games. That's alarming.
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Re: Seton Hall

Postby jayball » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:34 am

McKinney's Neighbor wrote:We've been outscored by 18+ points in a half 3 times in 13 games. That's alarming.


Concerning trend for sure. Anyone think the pace tires us out in second half? Guys seemed tight and tentative during the comeback. Our misses were all over the place. Maybe our legs aren’t all there

Or maybe that is when we really miss having a true floor general that calms everyone down?

Really fun game to watch but man we could have snagged a big win there.
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Re: Seton Hall

Postby Jet915 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:06 pm

Just looking back, our 3 losses have all been to ranked teams, two on the road, just sucks that two of them (Baylor and Seton Hall) were really ours to lose.....
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Re: Seton Hall

Postby go_jays » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:38 pm

DC_JAY wrote:While I agree the Jays are inexperienced compared to a senior-laden team like SH, this is not an inexperienced Creighton team. All five of our starters have been to an NCAA tournament. We start two seniors. We start a junior who has played almost every game since arriving at Creighton. Sure we've got some freshmen, but they weren't the ones panicking down the stretch.

The Jays don't need experience, they need composure. And while sometimes composure comes with experience, the two don't always go hand in hand.

I will say at least Mac called some timeouts this time to try and stave off the SH comeback.


Minutes played equals experience... not year in school.

Mintz = inexperience
Foster = experience
Thomas = experience
Harrell = inexperience
Krampelj = inexperience

Powell = experience (even though he's a sophomore, he had the 4th most mins on the team as a freshman and is within 12 mins total of having MOST minutes on the team this year)
Carrington = experience
Rodriguez = experience
Nzei = experience
Sonogo = experience


Creighton 84 Seton Hall 83

3:09 Mintz misses front end of 1 and 1
2:22 Harrell drives baseline and loses ball, jump ball, Creighton maintains posession
2:22 MIntz inbounds ball to Krampelj who immediately travels and turns ball over to SH, turnover
2:03 Carrington drives on Krampelj and scores Creighton 84 Seton Hall 85
1:46 Thomas drives, gets cut off, puts up shot, Krampelj misses put back
1:29 Rodriguez drives misses, Thomas pushes Nzei on ensuing rebound, Nzei makes 1 of 2 Creighton 84 Seton Hall 86
1:06 Thomas puts up air ball on wide open 3 point attempt
:35 Carrington puts up a brick, we rebound
:29 Foster drives and tries wrap-around to Krampelj, pass is off the mark but Harrell recovers it
:27 Harrell throws the ball to Rodriguez in effort to get it to Foster in corner, turnover
:19 Mintz fouls Carrington, who makes both Creighton 84 Seton Hall 88
:12 Foster looses handle on ball going up for a jump shot
:11 Thomas fouls Rodriguez, Rodriguez makes both Creighton 84 Seton Hall 90

There's no doubt who was the more composed team here. As far as a lack of composure on Creighton's side... it looks pretty evenly split. But having 3 players on the floor with limited experience in BE play...
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Re: Seton Hall

Postby Easypaddy » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:39 pm

Would have been nice to start out conference play 1-0. Decreases our margin for error Saturday. Starting out 0-2 would be no good.
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Re: Seton Hall

Postby DC_JAY » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:57 pm

go_jays wrote:
DC_JAY wrote:While I agree the Jays are inexperienced compared to a senior-laden team like SH, this is not an inexperienced Creighton team. All five of our starters have been to an NCAA tournament. We start two seniors. We start a junior who has played almost every game since arriving at Creighton. Sure we've got some freshmen, but they weren't the ones panicking down the stretch.

The Jays don't need experience, they need composure. And while sometimes composure comes with experience, the two don't always go hand in hand.

I will say at least Mac called some timeouts this time to try and stave off the SH comeback.


Minutes played equals experience... not year in school.

Mintz = inexperience
Foster = experience
Thomas = experience
Harrell = inexperience
Krampelj = inexperience

Powell = experience (even though he's a sophomore, he had the 4th most mins on the team as a freshman and is within 12 mins total of having MOST minutes on the team this year)
Carrington = experience
Rodriguez = experience
Nzei = experience
Sonogo = experience


Creighton 84 Seton Hall 83

3:09 Mintz misses front end of 1 and 1
2:22 Harrell drives baseline and loses ball, jump ball, Creighton maintains posession
2:22 MIntz inbounds ball to Krampelj who immediately travels and turns ball over to SH, turnover
2:03 Carrington drives on Krampelj and scores Creighton 84 Seton Hall 85
1:46 Thomas drives, gets cut off, puts up shot, Krampelj misses put back
1:29 Rodriguez drives misses, Thomas pushes Nzei on ensuing rebound, Nzei makes 1 of 2 Creighton 84 Seton Hall 86
1:06 Thomas puts up air ball on wide open 3 point attempt
:35 Carrington puts up a brick, we rebound
:29 Foster drives and tries wrap-around to Krampelj, pass is off the mark but Harrell recovers it
:27 Harrell throws the ball to Rodriguez in effort to get it to Foster in corner, turnover
:19 Mintz fouls Carrington, who makes both Creighton 84 Seton Hall 88
:12 Foster looses handle on ball going up for a jump shot
:11 Thomas fouls Rodriguez, Rodriguez makes both Creighton 84 Seton Hall 90

There's no doubt who was the more composed team here. As far as a lack of composure on Creighton's side... it looks pretty evenly split. But having 3 players on the floor with limited experience in BE play...


Very solid post. Again, I'm not arguing the point that SH wasn't significantly more experienced than Creighton.

Looking at Returning Possession Minutes % (RPM%), the Big East looks like:

Providence 96%
Seton Hall 89%
St. Johns 72%
Xavier 69%
Depaul 59%
Creighton 57%
Butler 54%
Nova 53%
Marquette 51%
Georgetown 40%

Notable Creighton opponents this season:

Baylor 53%
UCLA 30%
Gonzaga 38%

Creighton had more returning minutes than all three of these teams, significantly more than Gonzaga and UCLA. And the Jays are middle of the pack in the Big East in terms of returning minutes. So, yes, against a super experienced team like SH, Creighton looks relatively inexperienced, but I don't think we can keep coming back to the "Creighton is just not experienced, and it hurts at the end of games" excuses. Bottom line is Creighton's returning minutes need to execute down the stretch.
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