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Re: Justin Patton

Postby Savannah Jay » Tue May 16, 2017 3:08 pm

Polyfro wrote:
Savannah Jay wrote:I thought it was laughable that people are concerned he only has a 30" vertical. His standing reach is 9' 3 1/2". The basket is still just 10' high, no? Any of us who watched Justin this year think is vertical is an issue?

Remember when draft "experts" (and a lot of message board "experts") were ridiculing Kevin Durant because he couldn't bench press 185 lbs? Anyone remember that? Anyone else remember that the Trail Blazers picked Greg Oden ahead of Durant? Oden could bench press the hell out of 185 lbs... JP probably won't be Kevin Durant but my money says he won't be Oden, either. He is top 20 and am hoping he goes to ATL at 19.


I'm guilty of it at times, too, but we obsess far too much over measurables at NFL and NBA combines, IMHO. At some point a lot of GM's, scouts and fans began putting more value in characteristics of a good athlete over actual sport-specific skills. And I get it; those are black-and-white quantifiable traits, whereas skills are more qualitative, more nuanced. Numbers jump off a page, nuance doesn't. I think JP's a player whose skill far surpasses what you can measure in a vertical leap, or on a bench press, or in a sprint. He's not a transcendent player like Durant, don't get me wrong. But his measurables look like that of a fringe NBA prospect. Anyone who's watched him a fair amount knows he's way better than that. JP has more than enough basketball skill to have a long, successful career. A lot of teams will pass on him because of those combine results, I'm sure of it. And in a few years he'll be touted as an "under the radar success" that teams regret passing on.

Tangent: I read a piece this week about the Rockets passing on Marc Gasol in '06 because their scouting department came across a photo of him without a shirt, and he had "man boobs". Even though they thought he could be a good player they passed because of that photo. Then he became an All-Star several times over, and one of the better late-second round picks in recent memory. Not sure that relates to JP, but it gave me an excuse to write "man boobs" (plus it's a really great story).


That's an interesting article. Teams invest/risk so much when drafting that it's amazing how much info they try to gather on the prospects. A friend/former HS teammate of my son's was just drafted in NFL. He is the kid from Minnesota that ran the fastest 40 ever by a Big Ten player. Anyway, all of the mock drafts and player rankings (he is a CB) had him rated higher/much higher than some of the kids drafted ahead of him. My son said it was agonizing being at his draft party through the 5th and 6th rounds (he was finally drafted in the early 7th round). Long story to get to the point...apparently he is a little short (5'11") and his hands are small so some teams shied away from him. And yet the kid ran the fastest 40 by a DB in 10 years and the only kid faster than him at the combine this year was the Washington WR that ran the fastest 40 ever.

On Justin, the best quote I saw from the combine was when someone asked him, "the light turns yellow, do you slow down or speed up?" Justin said, "it depends on where I am going." Classic.
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Re: Justin Patton

Postby Jet915 » Thu May 18, 2017 10:37 am

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Re: Justin Patton

Postby Chicagojayfan » Thu May 18, 2017 11:08 am

Jet915 wrote:Nice summary of where he currently stands in all the mock drafts, late teens....

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2017/5/17/15654108/justin-patton-an-nba-draft-update-combine-mock-drafts-creighton-basketball


I saw the ESPN ranking of 22, but didn't realize it was that much of an outlier. I agree that the teens is probably the right place for him to go. The Bucks seem like a good likelihood as they could use him and are in the right spot. The Hawks would be a good outcome for him from a style perspective, but are later. Bulls are earlier, but that org is a mess
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Re: Justin Patton

Postby gtmoBlue » Thu May 18, 2017 2:09 pm

Well! It's nice to know there is unanimous consensus on JP going in the 1st Round. Old Alphawait had me worried and fretting that Justin "might" fall out of the 1st round...and possibly the entire draft. :lol:

I'm thinking with my GM hat on today. We've got the Celts and Lakers in the top 2 spots, Kings with 2 top 10 spots, and 7 of the 10 spots are guards (only Jackson, Tatum, and Markkenen in the top 10 picks). I'll put 100 on JP going Top 10 rather than one of the 3 mentioned, as none of them impressed this season. Either Boston or LA pull a surprise or JP winds up with AT at the Kings. Patton gets some BIG Bucks...just a gtmo WAG.
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Re: Justin Patton

Postby JacobPadilla » Thu May 18, 2017 2:20 pm

Chicagojayfan wrote:
Jet915 wrote:Nice summary of where he currently stands in all the mock drafts, late teens....

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2017/5/17/15654108/justin-patton-an-nba-draft-update-combine-mock-drafts-creighton-basketball


I saw the ESPN ranking of 22, but didn't realize it was that much of an outlier. I agree that the teens is probably the right place for him to go. The Bucks seem like a good likelihood as they could use him and are in the right spot. The Hawks would be a good outcome for him from a style perspective, but are later. Bulls are earlier, but that org is a mess


Not sure Milwaukee would go for Justin after taking Thon Maker last year.
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Re: Justin Patton

Postby Altman's Advisor » Thu May 18, 2017 2:25 pm

JacobPadilla wrote:
Chicagojayfan wrote:
Jet915 wrote:Nice summary of where he currently stands in all the mock drafts, late teens....

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2017/5/17/15654108/justin-patton-an-nba-draft-update-combine-mock-drafts-creighton-basketball


I saw the ESPN ranking of 22, but didn't realize it was that much of an outlier. I agree that the teens is probably the right place for him to go. The Bucks seem like a good likelihood as they could use him and are in the right spot. The Hawks would be a good outcome for him from a style perspective, but are later. Bulls are earlier, but that org is a mess


Not sure Milwaukee would go for Justin after taking Thon Maker last year.

They could be trying to create the freakiest transition offense of all time.
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Re: Justin Patton

Postby Chicagojayfan » Fri May 19, 2017 11:07 am

JacobPadilla wrote:
Chicagojayfan wrote:
Jet915 wrote:Nice summary of where he currently stands in all the mock drafts, late teens....

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2017/5/17/15654108/justin-patton-an-nba-draft-update-combine-mock-drafts-creighton-basketball


I saw the ESPN ranking of 22, but didn't realize it was that much of an outlier. I agree that the teens is probably the right place for him to go. The Bucks seem like a good likelihood as they could use him and are in the right spot. The Hawks would be a good outcome for him from a style perspective, but are later. Bulls are earlier, but that org is a mess


Not sure Milwaukee would go for Justin after taking Thon Maker last year.


I figured that with Maker they were already looking at the long approach rather than a short term fit why not add another guy like that, and I can see them playing together on the court. From the mock drafts it looks like other people are thinking that way also.
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Re: Justin Patton

Postby vivid_dude » Thu May 25, 2017 3:20 pm

Chad Ford came out with his newest draft rankings after all the early entries were confirmed. He has Patton as No. 21, down from his previous ranking of No. 19. His write-up states:

Patton has great size for his position, but he tested as one of the three poorest athletes in the draft. He’s efficient as a low-post scorer and rebounder. Will his lack of explosiveness and foot speed hurt him in the NBA?

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Re: Justin Patton

Postby gtmoBlue » Thu May 25, 2017 6:42 pm

Pls cut & paste your latest sparring round (6 posts) into the Tugs recruiting thread where it is needed. Hell, take this one too. Thank you. Just trying to make the 100 page goal.
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Re: Justin Patton

Postby whiteandblue77 » Thu May 25, 2017 7:41 pm

gtmoBlue wrote:Pls cut & paste your latest sparring round (6 posts) into the Tugs recruiting thread where it is needed. Hell, take this one too. Thank you. Just trying to make the 100 page goal.

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